Question Nooku Framework

my god im bored of nooku after having to read this topic let alone looking at there site and personaly id be very annoyed if kunena wasnt updated for 12 months, as so far the constant improvement im seeing in this project has been very good.

Well, I just tried to say that we do not have the luxury to loose any more time in our development and we want to finish our current plans before looking forward. That includes K1.6 and eventually K2.0, which will finish our current path.

We are also working closely with Joomla team -- people who are behind J1.6. I believe that Ron referred to it when he talked about our development path. Currently we are not slowed down by limitations of the Joomla framework -- It's our legacy from FB that has to go first.

Ok, so now everything is as clear as crystal. For that kind of responses I waited.

So.. new framework maybe in Kunena v2.5 << v3.0 << witch is far far in future thing.

Thanks all for give time to this discussion. I do not back to this topic, but rather focus on helping with 1.6 version.

I'm pretty impressed with the new design of J1.6, even if it has parts that are dated and need improvement (I'm confident those areas will be addressed). Because of that I see no point in choosing an alternative framework.

So we do not have any plans of changing framework for the foreseeable future.

I want to provide some more feedback on that topic.

Now that Kunena 1.6 is out there we focus on 1.7 and beyond.

We always look at what is best for the project.

JomSocial is now using the Zend framework, others are using the nooku framework.
We are not happy with either one (and I am sure there are more).

The problem with framework on top of framework is overhead and bloat. Not everything that is advertised as lightweight has anything todo with being lightweight.

We found that some of these frameworks add up to 50% extra memory usage on top of Joomla. You can run Kunena today in as little as 12MB per page view - for the big pages like Index and Latest - on a forum of the size like kunena.com

Everything you add, increases that. Install the Nooku framework and your page footprint goes up to 18-22MB for similar pages. That is very significant.

OOP, if not used extremely carefully can cause significant overhead. Sure, you write less code and let the framework do its magic, but that same framework does a lot of things for you, even in cases where you don't need it to.

Eventually people will try these solutions next to each other and will realize how much extra overhead can get introduced with some of these frameworks.

For Kunena, where we focus on performance and making it more and more enterprise grade, this would be a step in the wrong direction. Now more than ever I am convinced that a framework like Nooku is not the right thing for a forum component.

GREAT ANSWER fxstein! That's why I choose Kunena. Performance is a king. Really I started this topic to have this kind of reaction from developers. I really love pure code. FAST with database optimization. Even I remove some part of Joomla which don't want to use. To have clean base. Now I better understand why we should stay close to core. When I hear first time about Mootools 1.2 in Kunena it was sweet like honey.

It's kind of dream that developers keep one track. Really doesn't like so many framework to build one Joomla site. Have for all components only pure joomla with mootools. I hope smartest developers choose this path.

Thank you for this reply.