Question Nooku Framework

Hello, thanks for answers in topic, but discussion go to wrong direction.

My intentions from the start (look at my posts on the beginning) was like stipsan wrote:

I think the fact that he keeps bumping this thread show a clear and honest interest in the Kunena project.
I think he, and your community deserve an answer, in return for their care for the project.

And also true is that:

Rockstars that let their fans feel like an annoyance doesn't stay popular very long now do they?

But I'm totally far away from thinking about left Kunena. Stay really impressed and thankful for this great job.

So if one of main Kunena developer give me suggestion that he was interested before Nooku but don't know too much about Nooku project news.

Matias wrote:

Ah, something has changed. Last time I looked at it, nothing were public -- or at least I didn't find any links to the source code.

Maybe in the future. For K1.6 changing framework would only cause more delays.

So why I'm rebuked for give few latest news in this topic? Also he gave me opportunity by answer me _ MAYBE _ to continue this topic.

Also sozzled continue this not closed state of mind when he said:

sozzled wrote:
These continuing reminders about a product that has nothing (at present)

In this topic I please for answer YES or NO and WHY. Simply.


Maybe sozzled siting too much on forum and routine make him a little bit blind to see only ONE bolded description in this GENERAL TALK ABOUT KUNENA that informing:

Suggest your feature requests for Kunena and ideas for Kunena.com. Also general Kunena discussion.

If I'm wrong, so, sory you can without my permission change category for FEATURE REQUEST or something. I trying do my best when choosing category.

Can we stay OPEN source OPEN mind to OPEN discussion mr. severdia? Without silly prejudices and not not healthy concurrence?

If it's not time to talk about Kunena 2.0 so please left this topic alone when 1.6 will be ready. I do not want to mess Kunena development but help give my 3 cents. Sometime to do something, sometime to talk about it. Thats all. I gave few links before because I was thing it might be usefully.

One more time - I'm Kunena user - very thankful to Kunena team, and all effort mentioned Matias, sozzled, fxstein and others. But I really don't like that kind of spirit mr. Ron represent. I hope that was not intended.

Because really WE KNOW that "Nooku has nothing to do with Kunena". But this topic was intended to give opportunity developers to keep in mind THERE IS A POSSIBILITY NOW to do this. So if you have something to argue for now mr. severdia please tell us something more than we already know. If it's too early to consider future path so we left this topic and wait for right time.

But do not molested me to keep hand on the pulse. Because main category of this forum still tells me >> Kunena - To Speak!

Randal: Thank you for your input and for your display of overwhelming enthusiasm for Nooku. Three of the developers of the Kunena project have already provided you with feedback: Matias and severdia have stated that they have no interest in Nooku in the immediate or medium-term (and, by medium-term we can safely assume that to mean the next 12 months); xillibit has intimated his disinterest in this topic.

As I see it, the evidence says "no to Nooku". 12 months from now, who knows? The developers do not have to justify their reasons but they have been generous in discussing this subject with you and with others

We do respect the various opinions and contributions made by the members of this site and we actively seek them out but that does not mean that we always agree with them. You are entitled to express an opinion as we are also entitled to express ours. However, this invitation cuts both ways and does not extend a licence to abuse the goodwill we offer.

I believe we have tolerated this persistence, bordering on obsession, with Nooku for long enough. I feel that I acted quite properly and courteously when I advised you to allow this matter to take its natural course. I would not admit that my earlier response was a rebuke - nor would I say that my response now is any more a rebuke. In fact, I am offended that you would consider my remarks were in the least bit disingenuous. I am only clarifying the situation for you.

You have your answer: Kunena will not use Nooku. Simple - that's what you asked for. Let's leave this discussion alone. Thank you.

sozzled wrote:

Randal: Thank you for your input and for your display of overwhelming enthusiasm for Nooku. Three of the developers of the Kunena project have already provided you with feedback: Matias and severdia have stated that they have no interest in Nooku in the immediate or medium-term (and, by medium-term we can safely assume that to mean the next 12 months); xillibit has intimated his disinterest in this topic.

As I see it, the evidence says "no to Nooku". 12 months from now, who knows? The developers do not have to justify their reasons but they have been generous in discussing this subject with you and with others

We do respect the various opinions and contributions made by the members of this site and we actively seek them out but that does not mean that we always agree with them. You are entitled to express an opinion as we are also entitled to express ours. However, this invitation cuts both ways and does not extend a licence to abuse the goodwill we offer.

I believe we have tolerated this persistence, bordering on obsession, with Nooku for long enough. I feel that I acted quite properly and courteously when I advised you to allow this matter to take its natural course. I would not admit that my earlier response was a rebuke - nor would I say that my response now is any more a rebuke. In fact, I am offended that you would consider my remarks were in the least bit disingenuous. I am only clarifying the situation for you.

You have your answer: Kunena will not use Nooku. Simple - that's what you asked for. Let's leave this discussion alone. Thank you.

Well worded and said sozz!

Let me clarify my earlier comments, which may have been misinterpreted. Tone is important and doesn't always translate into plain text. Then I do as sozzled suggests and consider this line of discussion closed.

My "disinterest" in Nooku is because we're on different development paths (as I said before). Nooku appears to be a great add-on for the Joomla framework, but it doesn't fit our overall vision and strategy for Kunena. I can't share specifics at the moment to support that statement, but that's defintely the case. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of Nooku's code or it's capabilities. Matias' earlier comment of "maybe in the future" was being nice (he's a nice guy ), and I'm more of a "brass tacks" guy who speaks his mind.

On a side note, if if there's already another forum being built on Nooku, what would motivate us to do the same? What would differentiate us? In my opinion, and our strategy aside, that fact alone kills the idea of us using Nooku. As far as products built on Nooku are concerned, that's great for Nooku (and therefore good for Joomla).

My personal view of the open source community is a group of developers "jockeying" for positions of market share. I don't view it as a kum-ba-yah circle which all of us developers sit around singing songs together. So, as I mentioned before, there are plenty of places to promote competing forum products (Nooku-based or not) so they don't need to be promoted here on our "turf." Honest discussions about the pros and cons of each are certainly welcome. But use your best discretion about what crosses a line into blatant promotion. If you don't, we will. Simple as that.

So use Nooku or whatever suits your needs.

Ron got it wrong: I'm always open to new solutions, so I never exclude any possibilities. Nooku looks like a nice framework and I will follow it's development as much as my time permits, but when we were making decisions where to go next -- it was not available. So like Ron said, we chose another path in our development.

It's always possible to review choices, but realistically speaking it's a huge job to rewrite a large component to use another framework and that decision cannot be made too easily. My rough estimation based on earlier knowledge is that it takes 6-12 months to convert Kunena to use any new framework.

It would basically mean that instead of making Kunena 2.x, we would end up being just another stalled project with no visible changes to our users.

Thanks for answers. To clarify situation. I do not promote any software or team. I just wanna give opportunity to talk and hear what you say about this.

First, very good reason give me Matias (this nice guy) above.

"6-12 months to convert Kunena". Yes now I better understand what that change do for development line.

On a side note, if if there's already another forum being built on Nooku, what would motivate us to do the same?

Because my first idea was: If Nooku users can do develop faster and cleaner so why Kunena guys still fighting with standard J! 1.5 framework?

Personally I like what stipsan do, but for me it is not sufficient yet. And I belive that strong Kunena team will provide the best forum for long time coming. So Ninjaboard for now is more like curiosity.

As I wrote before, I try help Kunena by asking and pointing Nooku.

Do you check this really? Do you think it is not like Joomla 2.0? I repeat myself. It's logic for me that if the same guys behind Joomla 1.5 is behind Nooku so they must improve Joomla framework, or they job is without any sense.

mr. Severdia you talk about other development path. So you think Kunena need stay on only Joomla framework to get more integration or something with that direction?

Using Nooku will break some rules, but give some new ways to do things. Faster with more possibilities. But maybe do you personally think Kunena future must be always be combined with core Joomla framework? Now I'm understand your way better?

Maybe it will be good lost 6-12 months to convert if in longer time you will save development time. Lost time return back by easier and more effective coding.


It is only sugestion, you do whatever you want of course. If you want, you do change in future. If not, leave the topic for others to educate users to not ask anymore about Nooku.