Solved Kunena 4.05 bug (Subscriptions)

Thanks for the reply.

So IF I understand correct (please correct me if I am wrong), there is nothing we can do from the Joomla Backend or from the kunena Backend and the only 2 ways is to :

1). tell to all the users of the website to enter to their profiles in kunena to disable by themselves manually the subscriptions and every time before they post to uncheck the "tick" in the subscription (which is very annoying)

2). The administrator of the website to manually edit one by one all the users in user settings in the kunena backend to delete their subscriptions (but if a website has for example 10.000 users this cannot be done - plus I don't know even if we do this if again we have in every new posts again auto-subscriptions and start over again from the beginning...

I would like to know how to fix this because I would like to stop the complains from the users that telling me that their inbox is filling all the time and they don't want it etc.

To avoid all this, I disabled completely the subscriptions from kunena configuration (which is not fair for some users who wanted the subscription in some threads they had selected), but at least I avoided the complains for the full inboxes....

Can we hope that this "bug" will be fixed in the next release of kunena?

Also I noticed that in kunena backend in the user manager has two buttons :

1). Delete all category subscriptions
2). Delete all topic subscriptions

Can be done something from these? (But again it would be not fair to delete all subscriptions from all users if this is done by these buttons because some users wants the subscription in some threads they selected).

Sorry if I wrote too much, but I'm confused and I don't know what exactly to do to fix this (if there is something to do).

1). tell to all the users of the website to enter to their profiles in kunena to disable by themselves manually the subscriptions and every time before they post to uncheck the "tick" in the subscription (which is very annoying)

This setting is necessary only once. Then everything is back as it was before.

The short answer to your general question is that it's possible to repair the damage caused by the new feature implemented in K 4.0. However, the solution is not an easy one to explain within the constraints of this forum here.

kunenauser40 wrote: ... there is nothing we can do from the Joomla Backend or from the Kunena backend

That's a fair assessment of the situation and I am sure you are not alone in wrestling with this problem.

kunenauser40 wrote: Tell to all the users of the website to enter to their profiles in kunena to disable by themselves manually the subscriptions and every time before they post to uncheck the "tick" in the subscription (which is very annoying)

That's probably the best way to tackle this problem in the long-term.

There's no secret that I disagree with some of the directions taken by the one or two remaining active members of the Kunena project and I have publicly stated my opposition to some of their recent ideas about "forced" subscriptions . My personal opinions aside, some of recent changes have confused the community as to the best approach(es) to take in handling the complaints that forum owners will experience from their members.

I understand (and sympathise) that automatically opting-in forum users to receive email notifications about forum activity has implications for international convenants on personal privacy. This is why it is important that forum owners clearly spell-out users' rights and their ability to opt-out from those features where they feel that the websites they join may jeopardise their personal freedoms. But all of this is a somewhat academic discussion and I don't intend to elaborate on how (or what) forum owners can do in this place.

kunenauser40 wrote: The administrator of the website to manually edit one by one all the users in user settings in the Kunena backend to delete their subscriptions ...

This is probably unnecessary and, if you went ahead with a plan like that, you would probably earn less respect from your users by treating them as incompetent fools. People like to feel that they are able to control how they interact with the websites that they join and, if their "choices" are not respected then they will probably abandon those forums where site administrators change their personal preferences without engaging with them as to what they changed and why they changed something. This was the essence of what I was writing about my replies in the topic Please disable "Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic" at www.kunena.org .

We should be able to look after ourselves without the site administrator changing our personal preferences.

Having said this, there is a way to change all the Kunena user profile settings so that things revert to honouring the original intention of the configuration setting Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box.

In order to do this, you would need to manually modify one of the columns in the table _kunena_users. For obvious reasons , I will not write in this topic how to modify the database table.

kunenauser40 wrote: I disabled completely the subscriptions from kunena configuration (which is not fair for some users who wanted the subscription in some threads they had selected)

You're right, it will stop the complaints from some users but it will cause resentment from others who want the option to receive email notifications when there's forum activity that they're interested in.

kunenauser40 wrote: Can we hope that this "bug" will be fixed in the next release of kunena?

That's not for me to say—I am not a member of the Kunena team—and it remains to be seen how interested the developers are in this issue. I think you can safely assume that, because there has been little interaction by the developers in this topic, the developers do not feel that this issue is a bug or an issue requiring urgent attention.

kunenauser40 wrote: Sorry if I wrote too much, but I'm confused and I don't know what exactly to do to fix this (if there is something to do).

This is probably the most telling and important part of your reply. Sometimes we write too much (and we're criticised for it) and sometimes our scribblings in the forum are too brief, too concise and indicate a lack of empathy with those who are experiencing real problems. Like you, I hope I have not overdone things in replying at length to your reasonable request for information.

If it is any consolation to you, we are all in this together. The problem was not caused by anything you did; the problem can be corrected without too much "collateral damage" to your forum. The way to approach the problem, however, is to work through the issues cautiously and systematically. I can help people personally, one-on-one, if they require assistance. In the meantime, you might like to see how the developers respond the the genuine concerns that you have raised.

Cheers

sozzled wrote: ....
There was a problem—a defect—in the user profile preference in K 4.0.3 Crypsis; the user profile setting was not honoured. Crypsis was changed (in K 4.0.5) so that it now works the same as Blue Eagle. That is what 810 meant when he wrote that he had "fixed it"......

I just found that when using Blue Eagle one gets in the user profile only YES or NO , whereas in this forum there is also an extra choise DEFAULT
Don't know why since I think also this forum uses Blue Eagle.

I just found that when using Blue Eagle one gets in the user profile only YES or NO , whereas in this forum there is also an extra choise DEFAULT
Don't know why since I think also this forum uses Blue Eagle.

Upgrade to Kunena 4.0.5 and you have all tree options.

Rick, thanks, however I am waiting 'till Joomla 3.4.3 announces a stable version and apparently 4.05 is not a candidate yet.