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Blue Eagle 1.5.2 Released (11 Dec 2018)

The Kunena team has announce the arrival of Kunena Blue Eagle 1.5.2 which is now available for download as a native Joomla extension for Kunena 5.1. This version addresses most of the issues that were discovered in K 1.5.1 and issues discovered during the development stages of K 1.5.2.

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Question Meta for Kunena plugin

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2 years 6 months ago - 2 years 6 months ago #1 by sozzled
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I have been using Kunena for 8 years or thereabouts. Over this time there have been a lot of topics in this forum—questions asked about how to change the "browser title"—about changing the page title for Kunena menu items.

Under the current scheme in K 4.0 (and it hasn't changed in K 5.0 either), page titles have several forms, for example:

<board-name> - Recent Discussions
(the word "Recent Discussions" is the translation of the language string COM_KUNENA_VIEW_TOPICS_DEFAULT_MODE_DEFAULT even though the menu item is Recent Topics!)

<board-name> - Category Index
("Category Index" is the translation of the language string COM_KUNENA_VIEW_CATEGORIES_DEFAULT)

<board-name> - Advanced Search
("Category Index" is the translation of the language string COM_KUNENA_SEARCH_ADVSEARCH)

and so on as you look at each menu item.

When looking at topics in a category or section, the page title looks like this (if you are using Crypsis)

<board-name> - Topics in <parent> / Topics in <category-name>. For example,

if the board name was "Kunena"
and the parent was "Top Level"
and the category was "Main Forum"
the page title would be "Kunena - Topics in Top Level - Topics in Main Forum"

(The page title in Blue Eagle is completely different but I am not discussing what the page title looks like for that template.)

Lastly, when viewing a topic in Kunena, the page title takes the following form:

<board-name> - TOPIC: <topic-subject> (<page-number>/<total-pages>)
("TOPIC:" is the translation of COM_KUNENA_TOPIC. Also, the page number information is only displayed if the topic exceeds one page.

There have been a number of requests to change this page title styling for Kunena to improve SERPs, for example:
... and elsewhere on this forum.

I have an idea to build a plugin to allow people to change the current scheme that's used in Kunena, to remove some of the redundant information—certainly to get rid of the ugly capitalisation of the word "TOPIC".

I think a few people might be interested in obtaining a plugin that allows changing the current separator character (it's hard-coded as " - "), optionally removing certain parts of the page-title and possibly a few other features that I haven't yet decided on. There will probably be a small charge involved to download the plugin after it's fully tested. ;)

I will update this topic with information on the progress that I've made. Cheers.
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2 years 6 months ago #2 by Josh
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Flexibility would be very helpful for such a plugin. Having it use the best practices by default will be an excellent start, creating flexibility will give you an even better advantage. Aidanews gives you an idea of using tags to organize display structure, Joomgallery actually allows you to structure the title meta tag.

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2 years 6 months ago #3 by ssh
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sozzled wrote: There will probably be a small charge involved to download the plugin after it's fully tested. ;)

I have no problems with the small charge if you develop a good SEO solution for kunena.

Please take into consideration this reliable SEO document before start the development process:
static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.g...on-starter-guide.pdf

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2 years 6 months ago #4 by sozzled
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Thanks, Josh, for your support for this idea. I am still in the early conceptualisation phase—I haven't actually begun any coding—and I'm trying to keep it simple.

Let's take a simple example of what we have now. Let's take the situation where you have
  1. The board name = "Kunena"
  2. the topic subject = "Meta for Kunena plugin"
  3. and there are one or two messages posted in that topic

The resultant SERP would appear as

Kunena - TOPIC: Meta for Kunena plugin


If there were, say, 29 messages posted in that topic, the resultant SERP could look like

Kunena - TOPIC: Meta for Kunena plugin (1/3)

(assuming the maximum of 10 messages per page).

Simply by changing the value of the language constant COM_KUNENA_TOPIC to, say, "Forum » " you could produce SERPs that look like

Kunena - Forum » Meta for Kunena plugin


But let's take this one step further. Instead of basing the page title on the <board-title> and use the <site-name>, instead, we could change the SERP to something else. For example, suppose the <site-name> was "Joomla demo site", I was thinking of something like this:

Joomla demo site » Forum › Meta for Kunena plugin

or possibly

Joomla demo site » Forum › Topic › Meta for Kunena plugin


The possibilities are really only limited by one's imagination.

As you probably know, SERPs are generated from the page title; in Joomla the page title is generated from a menu item (you can change the page title in Menus » Menu Items » <menu-item> » Page Display » Browser Page Title.

Kunena basically overrides a lot of that information and adds on its own bits and pieces. I plan to override the way that Kunena overrides the Browser Page Title information with a plugin. That's the gist of what my design is about.

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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #5 by loic
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Hello all,

thanks sozzled started this topic as kunena is really not SEO optimized

i think using the words "topics" and "category" is not relevant
is the word "forum" help for seo ?
and i would suggest to start the title with the more unique and relevant info : the title...
so refering to your last post :

topic page title

Meta for Kunena plugin Joomla (2/1) › Joomla demo site


description meta

first 120 characters from the beginning of the message texte... + <Topic-title>

the texte and title have to be the one from the subject id in the url #... to avoid duplicate description

keywords meta

<Topic-title>, <category-title>, <parent-category-title-if-exist>, <forum-name> or <site-name> ?


that is what i have done for blue eagle and it work pretty well...

What do you think ?

Loïc
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2 years 5 months ago #6 by 810
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FYI:
Google announced in September of 2009 that neither meta descriptions nor meta keywords factor into Google's ranking algorithms for web search. Google uses meta descriptions to return results when searchers use advanced search operators to match meta tag content, as well as to pull preview snippets on search result pages, but it's important to note that meta descriptions do not to influence Google's ranking algorithms for normal web search

max title lenght = 55 characters
max meta desc = 160 characters.
max keywords = 156 characters

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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #7 by loic
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810 wrote: FYI:
Google announced in September of 2009 that neither meta descriptions nor meta keywords factor into Google's ranking algorithms for web search.


ok but i thinks this kind of search result is more usefull for user :


;)

and unique description and title + same words in H1 + title + description and keywords is probably not bad for SEO... ;)
but as non-professional i could be wrong

loïc
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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #8 by ssh
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Let’s be honest.
Kunena is a great project, one of the best of its kind.

But.....
Kunena is behind in SEO matters, and that is the only thing that is killing my passion for this project.

At the end of the road, SEO is the most important aspect of web success.

Attention kunena developers / moderators / staff
Make a public announcement ASAP, looking for volunteers, Kunena needs a super SEO Specialist
(I am not joking, I am really worry about this situation, and I am also available for help in this matter)
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2 years 5 months ago #9 by 810
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loic wrote:
topic page title

Meta for Kunena plugin Joomla (2/1) › Joomla demo site


We have improved it to:
Meta for Kunena plugin Joomla - Joomla demo site

description meta

first 120 characters from the beginning of the message texte... + <Topic-title>

the texte and title have to be the one from the subject id in the url #... to avoid duplicate description>

Why showing the topic title? you can see it already on top. So thats unnecessary to show that. Only the content from the first topic is showed.

keywords meta

<Topic-title>, <category-title>, <parent-category-title-if-exist>, <forum-name> or <site-name> ?

Loïc[/quote]

Keywords should not be thats much info, its not used, you don't need it. Even more software products are removing the function.
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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #10 by sozzled
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810 wrote: Google announced in September of 2009 that neither meta descriptions nor meta keywords factor into Google's ranking algorithms for web search. Google uses meta descriptions to return results when searchers use advanced search operators to match meta tag content, as well as to pull preview snippets on search result pages, but it's important to note that meta descriptions do not to influence Google's ranking algorithms for normal web search.

Essentially, that's it. For all the talk about <Hn> tags in webpages—and it's only talk because nothing will be done about it in K 4.0—the main point of interest for me in this topic is to improve the appearance of our SERPs.

Although <Hn> tags and keywords may have some influence in indexing pages in search engines they have little influence in ranking those pages. Page ranking relates to SEO and page rankings are influenced by dozens of factors—whole books have been devoted to the subject.

Two minor corrections to some of the information 810 provided:

  • The maximum title length is actually closer to 70 characters (it varies from search engine to search engine). The title is obtained from the page title and that's mainly what the discussion in this topic is all about. My objective is to help people use those 70 characters in the best possible way through the use of a plugin.
  • The maximum description length is about 160 characters (again, varies from search engine to search engine) and SERP "snippets" generally use the content of messages posted on a forum. I have no intention of changing anything in this area.
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