Kunena 7.0.2 Released

The Kunena team has announce the arrival of Kunena 7.0.2 [K 7.0.2] in stable which is now available for download as a native Joomla extension for J! 5.3.x/5.4.x/6.0.x. This version addresses most of the issues that were discovered in K 6.2 / K 6.3 / K 6.4 and issues discovered during the last development stages of K 7.0

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Question How do I change the appearance of the undocumented indent tag in Kunena?

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14 years 1 month ago - 14 years 1 month ago #118497 by Jiminimonka
ccvortex, please post your Kunena Configuration Report, un-edited in reply to this message, as that will enable us to help you more easily.

Please read first What information should I include when I ask for help (including how to post my configuration report)?

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14 years 1 month ago - 14 years 1 month ago #118502 by ccvortex
The reason I haven't showed you where on my site the problem is occurring is because it isn't occurring on my site per se. It is a general question about whether or not you know if the bbcode used in the Kunena editor uses its own css to format things like INDENT, or UL, etc, or does it pull from the Joomla css.

Indent is better than lists because of the no bullet issue, but since it seems like you don't really know if your editor uses Kunena or Joomla css with regard to bbcode then I guess I am the one that will be making the guesses ;)
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14 years 1 month ago #118515 by CheechDogg
Your question about what css is used "was" answered by sozzled:

"The appearance of bullet pointed unordered lists in Kunena is invariably resolved by an appropriate use of CSS code that overrides whatever rules are used in your Joomla site template CSS file. If we had more information about your site (and therefore what CSS rules are involved in your site) we may be able to help you."

Bullet points and other types of typography are overruled by your joomla template's css not by Kunenas.

Hope this answers your question.

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14 years 1 month ago - 14 years 1 month ago #118525 by sozzled
I believe some clarification is needed here. There is no documentation written about the
BBcode tag. This tag works because it happens to work, not necessarily because it was intended or designed to work. The tag is an undocumented feature of Kunena.

There are a few undocumented features of Kunena, including mechanisms to enable the conversion of messages originally written for other forums (e.g. phpBB3) which is where the
tag originated.

I have discovered - through my own experimentation - that the BBcode parser renders these tags as <blockquote> sections. Therefore, if you want to have nested "indented" sections, the final HTTP would have to look like this:
Code:
Top level<blockquote>Second Level<blockquote>Third Level<blockquote>Foyrth Level</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
To achieve this nesting, ccvortex's BBcode in msg #5 above is wrong! The BBcode would have to be like this, instead:
Code:
Top Level[indent]Second Level[indent]Third Level[indent]Fourth Level[/indent][/indent][/indent]
The next thing that I have discovered is that there is no CSS directive in the Kunena CSS template that handles the rendering of <blockquote> elements. Therefore any assertion that the standard, unmodified kunena.forum-min.css has rules for handling the <blockquote> element is false. To achieve any change to the <blockquote> element you would have to create a new rule for this.

You can indent these
BBcode tags by adding the following code to the end of your Joomla template CSS file:
Code:
#Kunena blockquote { margin-left: 2em; }
Do not modify the file kunena.forum-min.css in any way.

The
tag is "fortunate" - it is there for legacy support - but this does not mean that the tag will continue to be supported in future versions of Kunena. People should not rely on using an undocumented feature of something that exists now only by good fortune. This also does not imply that documentation will be written about how this particular tag works or how it might be used.

Last of all, I remind everyone who writes to us, it is not our job to experiment on your behalf to reproduce something that occurs on someone's website. If you have evidence of a problem then it assists our job (and shortens the time between when you ask a question and when you receive an answer) if you give as much information at the beginning instead of us having to ask you repeated questions to find out what, specifically, is the problem on your website.

I believe this now answers the question.
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14 years 1 month ago #118560 by ccvortex
Thanks for the answer, appreciate it.

Couple of points if I may:

1. My indent bbcode is not wrong, it is 100% reproducible, with 100% successful results. Using your code does not work, and if you wish I can record a screen video to prove it. This must be an undocumented bug for an undocumented feature :lol:

2. You shouldn't have had to experiment on what the indent tag is parsed into because I attached a screenshot of Firebugs output of the indent tag. It clearly shows that it's a blockquote. Did you not see my screen shot? Maybe I should have attached it inline.

3. No offense, but it seems my original question was not thoroughly read. Maybe you're too busy with real life stuff (aren't we all!). However, if you go back to my first post, the one that was split off, you will clearly see I was asking about how to modify the attributes of the indent tag, and not asking for a lecture on how to use ULs ;)
It spiraled out of control from there as people somehow latched on to the UL deal, which lead me to forcefully state that I am interested only in that bbcode attribute.

4. Again, the reason I did not attached the config output is because it is a general question about bbcode attributes within Kunena, and not a support question per se. It is akin to me asking you what programming language Kunena is written in (PHP, PERL, etc). If I were to ask that question I doubt you would require me to post my cfg for you.

4a. My boss freaked out when he saw I had posted links to a clients dev site here...

4b. I have moved our dev site to our intranet so you couldn't access it anyway... maybe I should have just said that in the first place :unsure:

5. If oyu get the chance, maybe someone could document all of the bbcodes available from within Kunena as your wiki list is woefully lacking.


With all that said though, I know you guys field a lot of questions daily and it's probably a thankless job, so I appreciate your effort in supporting a free product that really does work well.

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14 years 1 month ago #118586 by Jiminimonka
Hi,

I think that it has been concluded that the Indent feature is undocumented and unsupported as it was put in to enable porting in from another forum system.

Also regarding your bosses reaction, if you posted the Kunena Configuration Report, the Confidential tags hide everything including the URL from anyone except Moderators and Admin, and it does not contain any login information.

Once Kunena 2.0 is finished, hopefully in beta next month, I will make an attempt to update all the BBCode information, and I am already working on part of that now.

Thanks for your support, it's nice to get a little praise :)

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