Question Links to latest post are ending up on the last page of the thread

Hi Specialist

I'm using "default_ex" and the most users have configured their settings to have the threats shown in reverse order.

However, all links (no matter which ones ... latest post module, email-info, links after posting, etc.) that should lead to the latest post are ending up on the last page of the threat. As it is in reversed order this is not where the latest posts are, but the oldest ones.

I remember having seen about a year ago a threat about this problem, but cannot find it anymore (might searching for the wrong thing).

Is there an update, if this behavior will be fixed any time soon?


Thanks in advance
Seppi

See your other post same applies, there is an underlying issue that is not related to kunena that is causing you issues.

Cerberus

Based on your feedback I did the following test:
I downloaded the latest Joomla-Version 1.5.18 and installed it.
New directory, new DB

I downloaded the latest Kunena-Version 1.5.11 and also installed it.
Nothing else was installed.

Kunena-Template is: Default_Ex

Regarding settings I just reduced the amount of messages per page, so I could simulate quickly.
And user setting I have change to latest post first.
Nothing else.

BTW: I haven't even created another user - it's just the admin.


And this problem is already there ... so, NO it's not something else - it seems to be Kunena!


Any idea how to address this?


Thanks
Seppi

hmm thats a strange one not sure how to fix that one at the moment but i will look into it for you.

I realise, it's difficult knowing where to search, but this "last post first" vs. "first post first" message ordering question is asked a lot of times!

The basic operation of message ordering is defined on a per-user basis. Each user can decide how they would like to see their messages, either "first post first" or "last post first". While there has been a lot of discussion about having a global setting for this feature (and some users have even developed their own hacks for the purpose), the operation has not changed throughout K 1.5. However, even though each user can decide their own preference, sometimes this doesn't work because the site owner has used a non-standard Kunena template. The default, default_gray, default_green and default_red templates were notorious for causing this problem and that was one of the reasons they were withdrawn from K 1.5; despite this, users still occasionally pick up those old defective templates and try to make them work ... without success, of course! This is another reason that prompted the topic There is only one endorsed and supported Kunena template ... default_ex

All of what I have written may be irrelevant to your specific problem, but I thought I should mention it in case there is something you have overlooked.

I also vaguely remember something about message ordering and "last post" and the symptoms you described. I'm not sure if the answer was "this is a known defect in Kunena (and we haven't fixed it, yet)" or whether the answer was "this is a defect of the outdated Kunena templates."

Without knowing all the facts, I have to conclude, as Cerberus did, that your problem seems to be generated by something outside of a standard, unmodified Kunena installation. But we could both be wrong! In view of the fact that you have two, seemingly unrelated, problems (that can't be reproduced here at www.kunena.com and that we cannot reproduce at our own websites) we have to look at what else you're doing. Can you reproduce these same conditions on a totally new Joomla 1.5.18 website, using the rhuk_milkyway site template, with no other components installed except for Kunena 1.5.11? (without making any changes to the configuration settings). If you can reproduce these problems under this scenario, then I would conclude that you have a problem with your web-server or your web hosting provider. If you can't reproduce these symptoms, then you should look at the differences between the test site you have built and the site(s) where you have the problems and eliminate those differences.

And, when I wrote that I could not reproduce the symptoms of your problem here at www.kunena.com , I actually tried it myself. I changed my preference to "last post first", clicked the "last post" link, and I was taken to the correct place.

Cerberus, Sozzled

Thanks for your engagement here.

As said before, I have recreated this problem with a fresh install of Joomla 1.5.18 (incl. Demo-Data) and Kunena 1.5.11 ... nothing else I have installed.

The only changes to the configuration I made are the following:
Back-End:
- Set the amount of messages per page to "3" (so issue would show up quickly)
- I configured a menu-item "Kunena" in the mainmenu, so I could get into it.
Front-End:
- I configured the Kunena-Profile of the user to show "latest post first"

No other changes were made.
You see, I really limited the changes to a minimum.
I also doublecheck the Kunena-Template, default_ex is set right after installation.
So, there are no conflicting modules ... except Joomla-Base would already include one, which then again would be a Kunena-Issue.


I replied with the user 3 times to the existing "welcome to Kunena"-Threat and voila, the issue already is reproduced.

Based on Suzzled's latest input it would mean, that my provider is using some other settings than your's. The question is - which ones?
If I got your statement right, this issue is coming up from time to time ... so it might worth some time to figure out, what settings (I guess, PHP- or Apache-Settings) could be causing that.


If you want, you're welcome to access my server to doublecheck.
Send me a PM and I will reply with the account info.


Thanks in advance
Seppi

We're happy to do our best to help: sometimes our suggestions work and sometimes they don't. Getting to the heart of the problem is difficult in this kind of situation; there are so many potential differences between your "vanilla-flavoured" website and this one here at www.kunena.com (which is still, essentially, not a heavily hi-tech website).

So, again, before we all point the finger of blame at your web hosting provider, let's eliminate as many variables as we can:

What Joomla template are you using? I have asked you this question 3 times and I still haven't seen your answer.

What version Apache web server (you mentioned Apache in your last posting, so I presume that's what your hosting provider uses) and what is the operating system foundation (e.g. Linux)?

What version PHP are you using?

What version MySQL are you using?

As you will see, if you try the experiment yourself here, at www.kunena.com , the message ordering/"last page" linking operates the way that one would expect that it should behave (at an intuitive level). So this leaves us with the question: what's different between your website and this one (and my one, and several thousand other ones)? When we've pinpointed and eliminated this difference your problem is solved.

As one last suggestion, if you search these forums using your web hosting provider as the search term, do you get any results?

sozzled wrote:

What Joomla template are you using? I have asked you this question 3 times and I still haven't seen your answer.

Sorry, but as I described what I installed, I thought it was clear, that I use all the defaults of Joomla ... which regarding templates is "rhuk_milkyway"

What version Apache web server (you mentioned Apache in your last posting, so I presume that's what your hosting provider uses) and what is the operating system foundation (e.g. Linux)?

OS is Linux (Kernel 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5) and Apache-Version 2.2.14

What version PHP are you using?

5.2.12

What version MySQL are you using?

5.0.90

As you will see, if you try the experiment yourself here, at www.kunena.com , the message ordering/"last page" linking operates the way that one would expect that it should behave (at an intuitive level).

Yes I recognized that ... the real strange thing is that every installation I did with Kunena on my server showed this issue - even if nothing else is around.

As one last suggestion, if you search these forums using your web hosting provider as the search term, do you get any results?

No, no hits in this forum for my provider (Webhostingpad) at all.
BTW: I tried also the other way around and checked the support-center of my provider for information about Kunena - couldn't find anything there as well.

reference: here is an independant review of your hoster.

www.10-cheapwebhosting.com/hosts/WebHostingPad.php

then have a look at the people that host my sites

www.10-cheapwebhosting.com/hosts/BlueHost.php

i have no control over the information contained in these site this is just what a quick google search showed.

Just spoke to one of teh devs here and he stated this :

imho this is known bug in kunena at least it was, it should be fixed in k1.6

so my conclusion is: it would seems this is a bug in kunena, that only affects certain sites and has been corrected in the fast approaching K1.6 ( availible as an alpha but not to be used on live production sites ).....