Question Running debug mode causes problems with SEO Generator

When upgrading from kunena 1.6.3 to 1.6.4 I noticed I get an error on my forums page which can be seen here: www.hikrs.com/forums

It seems as though there is a conflict with the extension SEO Generator
extensions.joomla.org/extensions/site-ma.../seo-a-metadata/7171

When disabling it, kunena does not have this error. They worked just fine together in 1.6.3. I have seen a few other plugins not work well with kunena 1.6.4 as well including jomwiki and slides (I got rid of nonumber's slides plugin). Worse case scenario I could downgrade to 1.6.3, but the newer version seems a little faster which I like. Now I'm wondering if its a simple error that can be fixed by changing the plugins... :huh:

In spite of the 3 months of the testing that went into K 1.6.4 it is impossible to test Kunena (or any Joomla extension) with every other Joomla extension listed on the JED. It's unfortunate that problems like yours will not be known beforehand, but that's just the way these things go sometimes.

In the 2½ years that I have used Kunena (and Fireboard before that) the Kunena developers have not claimed any Kunena is able to be 100% compatible with every version of Joomla or every Joomla extension that that people could possibly consider using. The fact that some Joomla extensions are incompatible with one anther (or with Joomla itself) is sometimes unavoidable. It is a fact that Joomla has inherent defects that prevent the co-operation of many extension with Joomla and well as with different extensions that people may have installed. I don't know what can be done to overcome this unavoidable fact of life.

I'm not holding anyone accountable for this problem. I suppose I was hoping that you might randomly know a solution, I dunno like "The New file we modified conflicts with certain extensions". I may have said this before, and I'll say it again. You guys are doing a awesome job, no other support forum for joomla extensions have had as much replies as this one for me from admins. I suppose I could just down grade, contact extension owners, or find a different extension that carries out the same stuff. But the thing that got me was it seemed like it was a simple error that perhaps with a small edit of the plugin code would fix it (editing the plugins themselves, not kunena).

Josh wrote: I suppose I was hoping that you might randomly know a solution, I dunno like "The New file we modified conflicts with certain extensions".

Let me answer that comment as follows: K 1.6.4 is known to conflict with Joomla 1.6.3 in certain ways. That's a true statement in every possible sense. We know this is true because we have found a number of defects in J! 1.6.3 which mean that K 1.6.4 cannot possibly work in every conceivable way that users require of it. It's unavoidable. The Kunena developers have reported the problems to the Joomla core development team and are waiting for the problems to be resolved. A decision was taken that it was better to release K 1.6.4 now, before the outstanding problems were resolved in three months' time.

We have a fairly active team of testers. About 24 people of whom maybe 6 are involved in day-to-day testing. No-one on the testing team considered the use of SEO Generator and that's probably why it was never tested and therefore why we are only finding out about this now. I'm sorry that you have encountered a problem with K 1.6.4 that seems to be involved with SEO Generator but I don't know what we can do about this situation now.

What, specifically, do you have in mind that will solve your problem? Have you involved the authors of SEO Generator in this case and what is their advice?

I do not use joomla 1.6.3, currently I'm using joomla 1.5.23. I still feel as though j1.6 is not stable enough in my opinion, and even if it was, extensions are not. I'll have to contact the extension owners, I hate to admit it but they probably won't reply. (I'll still contact them of course)

I understand that you are not using J! 1.6. I was giving you one example of something we know about that has a few problematic issues for Kunena. You asked if we "might randomly know" of solutions for things such as if any one new file modified as part of K 1.6.3 much conflict with "certain extensions". The answer is that we are aware of a few issues that cause problems with 1.6.4 and some things but I don't think it's fair to expect that, less than 24 hours after K 1.6.4 we would know of solutions for the myriad problems that people might experience.

Sometimes the solution is to not use those things that cause problems. It all depends on which is more important to you: a reliable, durable, web-based discussion forum product for your website or the other thing(s).

We are aware that some users might experience some problems with J! 1.6.3 but we do not have a solution for those "random" issues that people may encounter because many of those things require the Joomla core developers to fix Joomla. Likewise there may be problems involving K 1.6.4 and Seo Generator that will require the Seo Generator developers to address those issues, too.