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Introduction

Automatic subscriptions—the ability to enforce a website owner's policy that all members of the site "automatically" receive email notifications whenever there is some new forum activity (a new topic created or replies made to existing topics)—is a subject that has often been discussed on this forum going back as far as I can remember. People have asked for the Kunena project team to deliver features that allow them to "autosubscribe" members of their forums to categories and topics without their members having to do anything except to join their websites. This is a subject that has as many different views about how to implement a solution as well as different opinions about whether such methods are "legitimate", workable, worthy or legal in terms of the protection of an individual's right to privacy or an individual's right to choose.

The different views and opinions expressed by the wider Kunena community exist within the Kunena project team, too. In short, there is no simple answer to this very complex issue.

Every website on the internet is a business in some form or another. Some websites operate in order to generate a cash profit while others operate on a not-for-profit basis—to facilitate sharing of knowledge, community or social activities. Your website provides a service as part of that business and the people who join your site are consumers of that service (or services) that you offer. A forum is part of that business and your members' participation in the forum acts both to give them the means to discuss the range of "services" that your site provides—that is, something that your members consume—as well as where your members contribute to enhance the business of the site.

It really does not matter for what purpose your site exists. As soon as we start talking about sending out emails to people we're talking about how your website operates as a business and, as part of operating that business, questions about how you manage the relationship between you and your "customers" are entirely relevant.

This article identifies the technical and non-technical complexities that people need to understand before you try to "autosubscribe" your members when they did not specifically and explicitly choose to subscribe themselves to your forum. The issues fall into the following broad categories:

  • Feasibility: can it be done?
  • Design: how can it be done?
  • Viability: will it work?
  • Risk management: costs, overheads, ethical and legal consequences.

The views and opinions expressed in this article are my own and do not represent the opinion of the project team as a whole or, necessarily, the opinions of individual members of the team.

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Boby71 replied the topic: #1 1 year 10 months ago
Well, I'm running a small online community (=no problems with workload & staff) and lately we started to switch over to using Facebook groups, because people WANT to get a notification of EVERYTHING. That's what they are trained to by various social media channels. Unfortunately, our online community isn't being used anymore because of this missing feature.

Wake up, Kunena - it's time to adapt or forums will be completely gone soon; this is 2018!
thepiston replied the topic: #2 5 years 1 month ago
What's best way to mass subscribe a bunch of users to a forum? I can easily get an ID list too and do it in phpmyadmin if anyone knows the syntax to do that in one query.

thanks
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sozzled replied the topic: #3 5 years 4 months ago
Thank you to everyone who has read this topic and replied. :)

I would like to remind people who are contemplating "autosubscriptions" - remembering that there is no built-in mechanism in Kunena to automatically subscribe all of your users to a topics/categories on your forum - of the point I made in the article:

Additionally, generating email increases the workload on your server and may, over time, impact on the performance of your site particularly if your forum is busy and emails are sent to many subscribed members every time a new topic is created or a topic is replied to.


If your forum generates a lot of email every time your users post messages on the forum we are aware that forum performance will be affected because of the background tasks involved in sending the emails.

There may also be some confusion about what "autosubscriptions" means. The term does not mean, for example, that if you set the configuration setting

Users » Subscriptions » Topic Subscriptions = Email every update

that all of your users will receive email every time a new message is posted on your forum. This setting only applies to those users who are subscribed to topics where new messages are posted. In other words, if a new message is posted on your forum, only subscribed members will receive email and, by the way, the author of the message will not receive an email notifying them of the message that they just posted.

I hope this added explanation helps.
PopleMediaSolutions replied the topic: #4 5 years 6 months ago
Great post!
Thanks for this - I totally understand. I have managed, with this, to persuade them against the automatic subscription.

Thanks!

Rowan
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PopleMediaSolutions replied the topic: #5 5 years 6 months ago
Hi All,

Just wondering if you can help me with this the following:

We have a customer who is using the Kunena forum and community builder (with CBsubs) to allow access to the forum. Upon registering they would like all users to be automatically subscribed not only to all categories but all topics as well.

Can you help me with this?

Thanks.

Rowan
Pople Media Solutions

Introduction

Kunena 3.0.5 [K 3.0.5] is available for download as a native Joomla extension for J! 2.5 and J! 3.x. This version is a security release for Kunena that addresses several maintenance issues that have been reported since the last version release. and this new version replaces (and makes obsolete) all previous versions of Kunena.

This version of Kunena coincides with the simultaneous release of an updated language pack, downloaded separately, for deployment on non-English websites. The release of this version does not not coincide with the release of other Kunena Add-ons that have not been updated at this time and that may or may not be updated for this version.

In general, Kunena Add-ons designed for previous versions of K 3.x should interoperate with this version of Kunena; in general, Kunena Add-ons designed for older major versions of Kunena will not interoperate with this version of Kunena.

The summary of important changes in K 3.0.5 are:

  • XSS vulnerability in BBCode output (thanks Qoppa for finding it)
  • Improvements to lightbox
  • Fixes some JomSocial stream issues
  • Improvements to backend

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sozzled replied the topic: #1 5 years 5 months ago

viper2k wrote: When will you release the new version of Kunena 3.1?

I'm sorry but this topic is about the release of K 3.0.5. I am sure that, when someone takes the time to write some details about when K 3.1 will be released, this will be done in a different place.

viper2k wrote: Hopefully [K 3.1] comes with a more modern design and some new features.

Yes (for those who use J! 3.x). For those who use J! 2.5, K 3.1 will look much the same as K 3.0 does now.

In response to your comments about professional ticketing systems and "more templates" (which do not really have a lot to do with the announcement about the release of K 3.0.5), we are considering a range of options in relation to "paid support" but we are not in a position to provide you with those kinds of details.

There are a range of services available to you today for support, for additional Kunena templates and for a wide range of things involving Kunena. Perhaps a good place to start your search for services and templates is to look at the advertisements that appear on this website. I am sure that you will be rewarded for your efforts.

As you know, there is no company behind Kunena. Everyone who contributes to Kunena is a hobbyist, enthusiast or professional web developer who gives their time freely to this project - volunteers every one of us. The forum is provided mainly as a self-help community-driven resource for users but there is no "formal" obligation of support, necessarily. We do our best. Our job, in moderating the forum is not necessarily to answer every question but, rather, to point people in the right direction where they can find the answers. It is unfortunate (perhaps) that in this case I do not have a specific answer to the question "when will K 3.1 be released".

If you are interested in being part of the project team that is building K 3.1, and you have software coding skills that will assist the project, you might like join the GitHub community.
viper2k replied the topic: #2 5 years 5 months ago
When will you release the new version of Kunena? 3.1? Hopefully it comes with a more modern design and some new features :). I would also pay for the version if you have:

- professional support with ticket system
- some more templates

Thanks
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s23Nation replied the topic: #3 5 years 8 months ago
plenty of support up to date features very modern working platform
so take it for a test drive and get a feel of what you can and can not do
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sozzled replied the topic: #4 5 years 8 months ago
Anastasiya: Please start a new topic in our Installation and Upgrade category and read the installation guide in the Wiki.
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Anastasiya replied the topic: #5 5 years 8 months ago
The situation with downloading large files remains the same. If the attachment is too large, the message "COM_KUNENA_UPLOAD_ERROR_NOT_UPLOADED", but not "COM_KUNENA_UPLOAD_ERROR_SIZE".

Introduction

Kunena 3.0.4 [K 3.0.4] is available for download as a native Joomla extension for J! 2.5 and J! 3.x. K 3.0.4 is a maintenance release for Kunena that addresses several issues that have been reported since the last version release. The Kunena team advises that this version supersedes, and should be used in place of, all previous versions of K 3.0.

This version of Kunena coincides with the simultaneous release of an updated language pack, downloaded separately, for deployment on non-English websites. The release of this version does not not coincide with the release of other Kunena Add-ons that have not been updated at this time and that may or may not be updated for this version.

In general, Kunena Add-ons designed for previous versions of K 3.x should interoperate with this version of Kunena; in general, Kunena Add-ons designed for older major versions of Kunena will not interoperate with this version of Kunena.

The summary of important changes in K 3.0.4 are:

  • Improvements to online user counts
  • Fixes to pagination issues
  • Improvements to avoid timeouts when recounting forum statistics
  • Minor improvements for SEO
  • Allow moderators to post the duplicate the exact same message in other topics

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sozzled replied the topic: #1 5 years 9 months ago
Discussion on about WYSIWYG editing is a very big subject. It is a huge subject, in fact. We have many other topics relating to people's desire for a WYSIWYG editor for Kunena.

In terms of what currently exists for the immediate future: there are no plans at this time to include [what most people commonly refer to as] WYSIWYG (i.e. TinyMCE or some other plugin) editing features as part of the core component of Kunena.

There will be no new features added to K 3.0; any future releases of K 3.0 will be confined to bugfixes.

The feature set for K 3.1 has also been defined; WYSIWYG editing features are not part of the design specification for K 3.1.
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jimrowland replied the topic: #2 5 years 9 months ago
I know this topic is coming up on two months old, but these comments:

I do think it is unfair and incorrect to say most forums have a WYSIWYG editor.

and

We really like hearing all your suggestions

leads me to add my comments.

We are in the process of migrating from an old forums software package that my community has been using for nearly 10 years. It is running on ASP 3.0 (a late-90s tecnology). When I told them we were migrating to something "new and fresh" and promised features only avaialble in "updated technology", they were excited. The lack of a wysiwyg editor has caused an uproar, and is outshadowing every "new" feature that this Joomla!/Kunena/CB solution provides. It's like trading in your 1975 Ford Pinto for a 2014 New Soemthingorother, but not getting a radio or power windows. For them, it's unfathomable to think that "current standards" and "no wysiwyg" can be used in the same sentence.

coder4life says, "incorrect to say most forums have a WYSIWYG editor".

This chart indicates that it's about a 2:1 ratio of popular forums using some sort of wysiwyg as compared to forums who do NOT use some sort of wysiwyg.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Inte...um_software#Features

Anyway... please add my vote to the list of those requesting a wysiwyg editor for posting in the Kunena forums. Even if it's just a simple tinyMCE plugin, which (from my long ago dev days) seems to be the easiest way to go about it.
sanek replied the topic: #3 5 years 11 months ago


please add new IFRAME code in next version of Kunena! Because FLASH code, people not can see flash videos on mobile phones!!! :)

NEW CODE (no flash):
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/JX7167Nn0R4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

OLD CODE (flash video), now no one use it:
<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/JX7167Nn0R4?hl=ru_RU&amp;version=3&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/JX7167Nn0R4?hl=ru_RU&amp;version=3&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
positivnrg replied the topic: #4 5 years 11 months ago
Thank you! Now I can understand the problems behind the WYSIWYG editor implementation in Kunena. You have to understand us, the "users" we are not devs, we just using the softwares. Before your post, I tought (and I think not only me) it is enough to put TinyMCE under the Kunena and done. Now I know it is a bit more difficult. :laugh:

Thank you again for your time what you spent to wite your post, and answer my question. I think we need more posts like your to understand what's behind this project.

Happy new year! B)
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coder4life replied the topic: #5 5 years 11 months ago
Hello positivnrg,

I think you are misinterpreting Sozzled post as being aggressive. I think he is trying to understand your reasoning and point of view by providing us with some examples.


As for WYSIWYG editors and the reason why we do not have one in Kunena is a much debated topic among our team. However there are facts about why we have yet to put resources into coming up with a complete solution that I will detail below.

In designing a WYSIWYG editor we have long investigated the principles of security (access, injection), format storage (bbcode vs html vs wiki vs markdown), performance (up to millions of posts), feature specific content (spoilers, hidden text, configuration report). Taking these parts into consideration we have a wide range of challenges not normally investigated in less complex forum solutions, especially those that are not directly integrating with an Open Source CMS.

We receive common questions about why WYSIWYG is not included. We had to ask ourselves several questions weighing different methods of reasoning to many of our members suggestions, recommendations, and perspective of reasoning.

Why not use Joomla editor system?
  • We are not sure if the content, without some custom work and very close inspection of the Joomla codebase, if the submitted format and its contents are safe to submit, execute and store.
  • The editors are usually only used by a specific set of people in your Joomla installation, and as such pose less of a security risk if something malicious were to occur. (Taking an example from Joomla fresh installations visitors do not have access to editor tools, only those [Authors, Editors, ect.] designated by ACL)
  • Security issues that occur in features used by Kunena in Joomla (for example an undesired outcome of safety checks about what is being submitted) will make your Kunena installation vulnerable.
  • Editors can be installed and uninstalled at the site administrator discretion, editors may not remain consistent during the lifespan of a website, as such can create inconsistency in the storage content.
  • Multiple editors can be used that use different types of storage format as well as custom parsing and output display.
  • Editors with different parsing methods requires us to take in consideration the possibility that multiple formats could be used per post, parsing occurs for those different formats creating performance issues with pages with hundreds of posts. (One editor can use BBCode, another could use HTML, and a third might use Wiki Syntax)
  • Some features may remain absent in different editors.
  • We need to handle a situation when an upgrade occurs and the format has to be modified, or changed to a new format.

Why not use a BBCode only solution?
  • Does not address the ability to use Joomla functionality of multiple editors.
  • Still requires us to implement all of Kunena's custom BBCode.
  • Requires us to support a proper parsing scheme.
  • Requires us to support across multiple browsers (this is a reason why most WYSIWYG editors still have not provided a 100% successful implementation, suffer from weird oddities, and require many hours of maintenance overhead).

I do think it is unfair and incorrect to say most forums have a WYSIWYG editor. Doing a quick search myself I see most free solutions have the same BBCode insert structure we have now. Sure there are exceptions, but to my knowledge few support a large complex WYSIWYG implementation to deal with many of the problems detailed above. I also see some provide their own solutions, but as a result disregard general reasoning about portability and customizations in regards to the wider context of how Joomla can be used. Most WYSIWYG implementations I find are part of commercial based forums that have to consider a specific set of security considerations, one storage format, and one area of performance considerations due to the one storage format.

This is not to say we do not want a WYSIWYG editor working with Kunena. On the contrary we see it as a valuable asset to making discussions move in a way people feel they should be expressed. It specifically improves having to imagine what the destination visual format is going to look like. As a designer at Kunena this is a high priority of mine that I have been investigating over the last several months. Specifically I have been looking into how we can improve the interactions using Kunena software.

Our team has discussed the various angles to the problems detailed above. We have some pretty good ideas in how to solve them, but like everything we do here we have to take careful consideration into the wider perspectives of Kunena software and priorities. We at Kunena are focused on having a solid communication platform using a forum based discussion structure.

We really like hearing all your suggestions, and we are working towards making Kunena the best it can be. We want to make sure we approach the issues behind WYSIWYG in a smart way, with the needed resources to maintain it.

Introduction

Kunena 3.0.3 [K 3.0.3] is available for download as a native Joomla extension for J! 2.5 and J! 3.x. This version addresses many important issues that were discovered in K 3.0.2 and this new version replaces (and makes obsolete) all previous versions of Kunena.

This version of Kunena coincides with the simultaneous release of an updated language pack, downloaded separately, for deployment on non-English websites. The release of this version does not not coincide with the release of other Kunena Add-ons that have not been updated at this time and that may or may not be updated for this version.

In general, Kunena Add-ons designed for previous versions of K 3.x should interoperate with this version of Kunena; in general, Kunena Add-ons designed for older major versions of Kunena will not interoperate with this version of Kunena.

The summary of important changes in K 3.0.3 are:

  • Significant changes to the Blue Eagle template that improve the display of the forum on mobile devices
  • Removal of all avatar images from the K 3.0 distribution kit and allow for populating the avatar gallery via a separately-installed plugin (if needed by the site administrator)
  • Improved site performance
  • Fixes the category sorting problems identified on J! 3.1 sites
  • Compatible with J! 3.2
  • Over 40 other bugfixes and improvements

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SophieMarshaii replied the topic: #1 6 years 1 month ago
Improved site performance
Fixes the category sorting problems identified on J! 3.1 sites
Compatible with J! 3.2 It is ok to
MarioMari replied the topic: #2 6 years 1 month ago
Kunena 3.0.3 - WOW! :) thx!
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Matias replied the topic: #3 6 years 1 month ago
In K3.0.1 there was a bug where unstranslated string showed up, but it shouldn't affect the updates in any way.

Here are a few things that need to be taken into account on automated updates:

1) We publish automated updates only 1-2 days after the release (except for security releases) to make sure that we get initial feedback before thousands of sites break.

2) Joomla uses caching on the update component, which means that users might not see the updates without sleeping overnight or purging update cache.

3) Updates from Kunena 2.0 backend are broken and there's nothing we can do about it without making another k2.0 release. In J! 2.5 use Joomla updater instead..

In Joomla 1.5 you're out of luck as Kunena 3.0 doesn't install into it because of we removed all the legacy code.
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coder4life replied the topic: #4 6 years 1 month ago
I believe there is a bug in Kunena 3.0.1 where the Joomla 3.1 Dashboard will not display the update icon and update message. Please try this and let us know any problems on these specific Joomla versions.

If on Joomla 3.1 go to Joomla Extension Manager, click Find Updates, see if 3.0.3 is there, check Kunena 3.0.3 and click Update.

OR

If on Joomla 2.5 there is an extra step. Go to Joomla Extension Manager, click Purge Cache, click Find Updates, see if 3.0.3 is there, check Kunena 3.0.3 and click Update.


Also a note to Jiminimonka post, the reason we suggest to clear the main Joomla Cache [not the Extension cache like I describe above] because Joomla tries to preserve specific pieces [over an interval of time] so the page/data can be sent faster without us having to reprocessing everything. There might be a bug were this page/data is not refreshed. This might be why the update icon and message is not appearing.
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Jiminimonka replied the topic: #5 6 years 1 month ago
It could be to do with Joomlas extension cache, although this is a matter of debate (which we are having at the moment in moderators chat).