Kunena 6.3.7 Released

The Kunena team has announce the arrival of Kunena 6.3.7 [K 6.3.7] in stable which is now available for download as a native Joomla extension for J! 4.4.x/5.0.x/5.1.x/5.2.x. This version addresses most of the issues that were discovered in K 6.2 / K 6.3 and issues discovered during the last development stages of K 6.3
Note: Please go to the Kunena Dashboard after an upgrade so that the Kunena database tables are also updated.

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12 years 3 months ago - 12 years 3 months ago #11 by sozzled
You have two menu items with the same alias name "Forum" in your mainmenu menu. Delete and trash the second one (menu-id 130).

butchjax wrote:

How do you check the specific ACL settings for Kunena? I've never touched the settings for any specific component, there was no reason.

You are right: there is no reason to modify the permissions for any component in Joomla unless you know exactly what you are doing. The issue is, as I have said before, that the only way people can delete anything in your forum is if they have the permission to do that. If everyone on every Kunena website in the world could delete everything then we would not have a very good product, would we? If, for example, you could delete everything on the forum at K.org then we would be very embarrassed wouldn't we?

We have not made any changes to Joomla permissions here at K.org.

In the previously reported cases in this topic, the people reporting the problem admitted that they had made changes to Joomla permissions.

I accept that you say you have "never touched [permissions] for any specific component" but you may have changed ACL permissions for all components a while ago and perhaps you forgot that you did that. I believe that the key to solving this problem lies in how you have modified something in your Joomla permissions.

Disable the Kunena > JomSocial, Kunena > AlphaUserPoints and Kunena Community Builder plugins that you have enabled. You do not have these components installed and therefore you should not try to integrate Kunena with those things. This, too, could be a reason why you are having these users-can-delete-anything issues.

Other suggestions: (1) update your Kunena Search plugin and (2) try using a standard Joomla and the K 2.0 Blue Eagle template or (3) refer your problems directly to Arrowthemes .
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12 years 3 months ago #12 by butchjax
Ok. I updated the plugin. I double checked access levels, however, I'm not setting up access to categories by ACL, but groups. Though they're the same, so I can try that next. However, that's just access to the categories. I don't have moderator groups. I don't even see where that is an option. I only know how to set an individual up as a moderator. Am I missing something? What gives a person permission to delete?

Finally, I don't see any extra menu items. I'm not sure where it's hiding, but I can't delete what I can't see. I know this stuff is easy to you guys working with it all the time, so I'm sorry for the basic questions. I'll also check with the theme folks, but I don't see how a template can change moderator permissions either. Is there a short answer to this?

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12 years 3 months ago - 12 years 3 months ago #13 by sozzled

butchjax wrote: I don't have moderator groups.

You do not require Joomla "moderator" ACL groups. Moderators do not need to be assigned to Joomla ACL groups. Moderators are just ordinary registered users (in the Joomla registered users group) with special forum privileges (see How to assign a moderator in Kunena? )

butchjax wrote: What gives a person permission to delete?

Moderators can delete topics and posts; administrators can delete topics and posts.

butchjax wrote: Finally, I don't see any extra menu items.

Your configuration report shows that you have an extra menu item. Perhaps it is "hiding" in your menu trash? Empty your menu trash.

butchjax wrote: I know this stuff is easy to you guys working with it all the time, so I'm sorry for the basic questions.

No, it's not easy working with Joomla menus. It's the most difficult part of Joomla.

butchjax wrote: I'll also check with the theme folks, but I don't see how a template can change moderator permissions either.

A lot of template products also install other software (e.g. plugins or modules) that change Joomla behaviour. It's not uncommon for a Joomla template to install things that completely change the way that Joomla (and Kunena) behave. It's something that you should consider.

The short answer? This needs further investigation. The problem does not occur here at K.org and, therefore, we have nothing to investigate on this site. I do not know why the problem occurs at your site but, evidently, it's because of something you've installed or something that you've changed. The "short" answer is When all else fails, try this . I know that's not much of a comforting thought but, in a community-driven, self-help forum, it's about the only thing we can suggest after we've exhausted all other ways we can help.

We have received similar questions to yours on this topic before. In the cases where the problem was identified, the cause was due to someone changing Joomla access control permissions. If that is the case then I suggest you conduct a detailed examination of your Joomla access control permissions. Compare your website with a vanilla-flavoured Joomla website with only Kunena installed (and nothing else) and see if your Joomla ACLs are the same as a "vanilla-flavoured" Joomla website ... and adjust your Joomla ACLs so that they're the same.
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12 years 3 months ago #14 by rich
Please try following:

Change in "administrator/components/com_kunena/libraries/forum/category/category.php" line 43
from
Code:
'topic.delete'=>array('Read', 'NotBanned', 'Unlocked'),
to
Code:
'topic.delete'=>array('Read', 'NotBanned', 'Moderate'),

and in "administrator/components/com_kunena/libraries/forum/topic/topic.php" line 37
from
Code:
'delete'=>array('Read','Unlocked','Own'),
to
Code:
'delete'=>array('Read'),

This should help you


Important! Always create a backup before you make any changes to your website!

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12 years 3 months ago - 12 years 3 months ago #15 by sozzled
After discussing this issue with my colleagues, it appears I may have been in error with my earlier advice. Apparently there is an issue with K 2.0.1 which was identified here: github.com/Kunena/Kunena-2.0/issues/978 which has been corrected in K 2.0.2.

K 2.0.2 is still under development. We will soon announce plans to release this new version (which is currently being used at this website) soon. In the meantime we understand that this issue may be concerning for a number of users.

Details about the changes that have been made in this matter can be found by looking at GitHub
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12 years 3 months ago - 12 years 3 months ago #16 by butchjax
Well, I have the option of users deleting posts set to no. I'm not sure if that applies to me. The bigger problem is my attempt to fix access levels now leaves me a blank admin panel, making it impossible to do anything anymore until I can somehow fix it. So...not the happiest right now. I really hope I find out what's going on.
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12 years 3 months ago - 12 years 3 months ago #17 by sozzled
The reassuring thing to know is that ordinary users cannot delete other people's messages. They can only delete their own posts. The problem, of course, is that if a user deletes a message - the first one in a topic - then the whole topic will disappear. That's why we don't want people being able to delete posts if there are replies.

But there is a problem. The setting "users can delete own posts" is not honoured on the index page (if people can see the checkboxes). It's fixed in K 2.0.2.
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12 years 3 months ago #18 by butchjax
I agree. I don't want them to delete anything permanently for sure. It should have to be approved at minimum. At least I have my database fixed (note to self, don't remove super users from the special usergroup. :-P)

I'll try to figure this out some more though, waiting on a reply from the template developer. Worse comes to worse I'll do the fresh install test site. Thanks!

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12 years 3 months ago #19 by butchjax
Where did Rich's response go? Thankfully it went to my email because I followed his instructions and it worked! I think I did run into a bug because as soon as I changed the code to delete = moderate the problem was fixed. I have the email if it was deleted accidentally.

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12 years 3 months ago #20 by sozzled
I have restored Rich's advice. I don't know why it was deleted. I'm glad this has helped you.
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