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20 Jun 2016 22:37 - 20 Jun 2016 23:14
Replied by sozzled on topic Meta for Kunena plugin

810 wrote: Google announced in September of 2009 that neither meta descriptions nor meta keywords factor into Google's ranking algorithms for web search. Google uses meta descriptions to return results when searchers use advanced search operators to match meta tag content, as well as to pull preview snippets on search result pages, but it's important to note that meta descriptions do not to influence Google's ranking algorithms for normal web search.

Essentially, that's it. For all the talk about <Hn> tags in webpages—and it's only talk because nothing will be done about it in K 4.0—the main point of interest for me in this topic is to improve the appearance of our SERPs.

Although <Hn> tags and keywords may have some influence in indexing pages in search engines they have little influence in ranking those pages. Page ranking relates to SEO and page rankings are influenced by dozens of factors—whole books have been devoted to the subject.

Two minor corrections to some of the information 810 provided:

  • The maximum title length is actually closer to 70 characters (it varies from search engine to search engine). The title is obtained from the page title and that's mainly what the discussion in this topic is all about. My objective is to help people use those 70 characters in the best possible way through the use of a plugin.
  • The maximum description length is about 160 characters (again, varies from search engine to search engine) and SERP "snippets" generally use the content of messages posted on a forum. I have no intention of changing anything in this area.
20 Jun 2016 20:06
Replied by sozzled on topic H1 Titles in Kunena!
Thanks, 810. That's all we wanted to hear. B)

Please close and lock this topic. You also might consider closing and locking the K 4.0 Support (reporting defects) category too as any reported defects there will not be actioned.

With no support for K 4.0 (and K 5.0 still too far away in the future to be considered stable) we will have to make do with what we've currently got. There will be a number of people who will be saddened by your announcement that K 4.0 is at EOL and it will not be maintained. There will be a lot of people who will be unable to update to K 5.0 when it is released (and after it has stabilised).

For others who are interested in helping to improve SEO in Kunena—who are interested in this topic—I have started a new topic in the User Contributions category .
20 Jun 2016 18:30
Replied by sozzled on topic H1 Titles in Kunena!

sozzled wrote:

810 wrote: I have changed it to:

Topic title name - Forum name

Same as vbulletin.

And you will release this in K 4.0.12?

I am still waiting for a response from the developers to this question.
20 Jun 2016 04:44
Replied by sozzled on topic H1 Titles in Kunena!

810 wrote: I have changed it to:

Topic title name - Forum name

Same as vbulletin.

And you will release this in K 4.0.12?
19 Jun 2016 23:54
Replied by sozzled on topic H1 Titles in Kunena!
I understand the points you've made, @romagromov, and I agree with you. The argument you've presented is perfectly sound (and the article you referred to confirms this , also).

Years ago—I'm talking 10-15 years ago—before the adoption of CSS as a means of separating the content from the presentation, HTML tags were used to display content using differently-sized fonts. The lower the number <Hn> the larger the font-size.

The point that the development team has forgotten about is that <Hn> tags are used these days by search engines to index the content. Therefore, this discussion is really about the SEO implications and that's what I think the developers have overlooked; the developers seem to be more concerned about the presentation (i.e., how the page looks on the screen).

This issue has been with K 4.0 Crypsis since the beginning (i.e. for the last three years). The question is whether the developers will rectify their mistake for K 4.0 and replace <H3> tags with <H1> (or <H2) or whether they will leave things as they are in the horrible mess as far as people who rely on K 4.0 for their businesses are concerned. That's a question that I don't think we'll really be able to resolve until the developers respond to the valid points made in this discussion.
19 Jun 2016 20:54 - 19 Jun 2016 21:45

rich wrote: Confirmed. It seems that you've found a bug.

Noted. Reported in GitHub #4017 .

[strike]This topic was posted in the General user contributions . The description in this category is "Please note: The Kunena project team takes NO responsibility for maintaining nor supporting anything in this category." The question for the team is:

a) Does this mean that the bug will not be fixed for K 4.0.x; or

b) this topic should be moved to the Support category instead?[/strike]

EDIT: Thank you for moving this to the correct category.
19 Jun 2016 19:46 - 19 Jun 2016 19:46

webdevtim wrote: OK, then I should be able to disable the display of the User List in Blue Eagle. Which PHP file do I edit?

Well, strictly-speaking, it's not a case of disabling the "display" within Blue Eagle; it's a matter of crippling the functionality within Kunena.

If I am to understand correctly that you want to prevent any registered user being able to display the userlist in Kunena—the words "User List" displayed on a webpage regardless—I think the file you want to examine is ../components/com_kunena/controllers/user.php.
19 Jun 2016 03:14

chiripas wrote: The link does not provide information on how to remove the <board-name> part in crypsis 5.0.RC2

That is true. At present (as I have written elsewhere) I am not interested in K 5.0. Instead I am more interested in fixing [SEO] issues with K 4.0 because it is stable and it will probably not be "improved" by the development team.

However, having said that, the SEO information generated by K 5.0 is not significantly different to the way it's generated by K 4.0 Crypsis. Therefore, the ideas that I have in mind will probably work just as well for K 5.0 Crypsis as they would do in K 4.0.

While it is possible to remove the board-title from Crypsis, by hacking the source code, I think a better approach to the problem would be with a plugin or additional configuration options for the Kunena menu items. If people want to hack the source code, that's their choice. The source code is there; the development team may even be able to tell you exactly which lines of code you would need to change. The penalty with the hack approach is that you would need to maintain those hacks whenever Kunena is updated (and there could be many updates released by the development team for K 5.0). It's really your choice: hack the code, wait for the development team to provide a simple interface or write a plugin to do this work for you.

My approach is to write a plugin.
19 Jun 2016 01:45
Replied by sozzled on topic Meta for Kunena plugin
Thanks, Josh, for your support for this idea. I am still in the early conceptualisation phase—I haven't actually begun any coding—and I'm trying to keep it simple.

Let's take a simple example of what we have now. Let's take the situation where you have
  1. The board name = "Kunena"
  2. the topic subject = "Meta for Kunena plugin"
  3. and there are one or two messages posted in that topic

The resultant SERP would appear as

Kunena - TOPIC: Meta for Kunena plugin


If there were, say, 29 messages posted in that topic, the resultant SERP could look like

Kunena - TOPIC: Meta for Kunena plugin (1/3)

(assuming the maximum of 10 messages per page).

Simply by changing the value of the language constant COM_KUNENA_TOPIC to, say, "Forum » " you could produce SERPs that look like

Kunena - Forum » Meta for Kunena plugin


But let's take this one step further. Instead of basing the page title on the <board-title> and use the <site-name>, instead, we could change the SERP to something else. For example, suppose the <site-name> was "Joomla demo site", I was thinking of something like this:

Joomla demo site » Forum › Meta for Kunena plugin

or possibly

Joomla demo site » Forum › Topic › Meta for Kunena plugin


The possibilities are really only limited by one's imagination.

As you probably know, SERPs are generated from the page title; in Joomla the page title is generated from a menu item (you can change the page title in Menus » Menu Items » <menu-item> » Page Display » Browser Page Title.

Kunena basically overrides a lot of that information and adds on its own bits and pieces. I plan to override the way that Kunena overrides the Browser Page Title information with a plugin. That's the gist of what my design is about.
19 Jun 2016 00:44
Replied by sozzled on topic H1 Titles in Kunena!

Josh wrote:

sozzled wrote: Aside from the ugliness of capitalised words appearing in the SERPs


Finally someone commenting about the capitalized litters. :cheer: I too find it ugly and gives off the vibe of yelling.

I've created a separate topic to discuss that (and other) issues: Meta for Kunena plugin
19 Jun 2016 00:43

chiripas wrote: How to remove sitename from page title in crypsis? Please help

I have a idea you may be interested in: Meta for Kunena plugin
19 Jun 2016 00:31 - 19 Jun 2016 00:37
I have been using Kunena for 8 years or thereabouts. Over this time there have been a lot of topics in this forum—questions asked about how to change the "browser title"—about changing the page title for Kunena menu items.

Under the current scheme in K 4.0 (and it hasn't changed in K 5.0 either), page titles have several forms, for example:

<board-name> - Recent Discussions
(the word "Recent Discussions" is the translation of the language string COM_KUNENA_VIEW_TOPICS_DEFAULT_MODE_DEFAULT even though the menu item is Recent Topics!)

<board-name> - Category Index
("Category Index" is the translation of the language string COM_KUNENA_VIEW_CATEGORIES_DEFAULT)

<board-name> - Advanced Search
("Category Index" is the translation of the language string COM_KUNENA_SEARCH_ADVSEARCH)

and so on as you look at each menu item.

When looking at topics in a category or section, the page title looks like this (if you are using Crypsis)

<board-name> - Topics in <parent> / Topics in <category-name>. For example,

if the board name was "Kunena"
and the parent was "Top Level"
and the category was "Main Forum"
the page title would be "Kunena - Topics in Top Level - Topics in Main Forum"

(The page title in Blue Eagle is completely different but I am not discussing what the page title looks like for that template.)

Lastly, when viewing a topic in Kunena, the page title takes the following form:

<board-name> - TOPIC: <topic-subject> (<page-number>/<total-pages>)
("TOPIC:" is the translation of COM_KUNENA_TOPIC. Also, the page number information is only displayed if the topic exceeds one page.

There have been a number of requests to change this page title styling for Kunena to improve SERPs, for example:
... and elsewhere on this forum.

I have an idea to build a plugin to allow people to change the current scheme that's used in Kunena, to remove some of the redundant information—certainly to get rid of the ugly capitalisation of the word "TOPIC".

I think a few people might be interested in obtaining a plugin that allows changing the current separator character (it's hard-coded as " - "), optionally removing certain parts of the page-title and possibly a few other features that I haven't yet decided on. There will probably be a small charge involved to download the plugin after it's fully tested. ;)

I will update this topic with information on the progress that I've made. Cheers.
18 Jun 2016 21:13 - 18 Jun 2016 21:18
Replied by sozzled on topic H1 Titles in Kunena!

Josh wrote: As for the title tag, I wasn't excited about the words "TOPIC" being injected into the first word due to it potentially being considered redundant data. While I still believe it should be swapped out, for now you can override the language constant "COM_KUNENA_TOPIC" to have it say what you want it to.

I agree with you. Aside from the ugliness of capitalised words appearing in the SERPs, there are other facets of the way that Kunena (all versions) construct the page title.

I'm considering writing a plugin for Kunena that will address this matter (and other outstanding issues ) that the developers have not responded to. I'm thinking of calling the plugin "Meta for Kunena". With luck, I might even generate a couple of dollars from resolving this current deficiency. :lol:
18 Jun 2016 21:00

Vasyekv wrote: K 4.0.11 works fine in PHP 7 (Ubuntu).

Thank you. Perhaps I should have written instead: K 4.0 does not support PHP 7 .

Vasyekv wrote: K 5.0 way better than K 4.0.

Perhaps you, too, would like to tell us why (and in what ways) you believe that to be the case. :)
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