Solved K 4.0.3 Crypsis "automatically" subscribes to topic; Blue Eagle does not

I have the following configuration setting:

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box = No

I do not want the "Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic" checkbox to be checked, by default (as you see here, on the forum at www.kunena.org .



The configuration settings are here:

Database collation check: The collation of your table fields are correct

Joomla! SEF: Enabled | Joomla! SEF rewrite: Enabled | FTP layer: Disabled |

This message contains confidential information

htaccess: Exists | PHP environment: Max execution time: 30 seconds | Max execution memory: 128M | Max file upload: 64M

Kunena menu details:

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ID	Name	Menutype	Link	Path	In trash
409	Forum	kunenamenu	view=home&defaultmenu=411	forum	No
410	Index	kunenamenu	view=category&layout=list	forum/index	No
411	Recent Topics	kunenamenu	view=topics&mode=replies	forum/recent	No
412	New Topic	kunenamenu	view=topic&layout=create	forum/newtopic	No
413	No Replies	kunenamenu	view=topics&mode=noreplies	forum/noreplies	No
414	My Topics	kunenamenu	view=topics&layout=user&mode=default	forum/mylatest	No
415	Profile	kunenamenu	view=user	forum/profile	No
416	Help	kunenamenu	view=misc	forum/help	No
417	Search	kunenamenu	view=search	forum/search	No
418	Forum	mainmenu	Itemid=409	kunena-2015-06-23	No

Joomla default template details : protostar | author: Kyle Ledbetter | version: 1.0 | creationdate: Unknown

Kunena default template details : Crypsis | author: Kunena Team | version: 4.0.3 | creationdate: 2015-06-29

Kunena version detailed: Kunena 4.0.3 | 2015-06-29 [ Possagno ]
| Kunena detailed configuration:

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Kunena config settings:
board_offline	0
enablerss	1
threads_per_page	20
messages_per_page	6
messages_per_page_search	15
showhistory	1
historylimit	6
shownew	1
disemoticons	0
template	crypsis
showannouncement	1
avataroncat	0
catimagepath	category_images
showchildcaticon	1
rtewidth	450
rteheight	300
enableforumjump	1
reportmsg	1
username	1
askemail	0
showemail	0
showuserstats	1
showkarma	0
useredit	1
useredittime	0
useredittimegrace	600
editmarkup	1
allowsubscriptions	1
subscriptionschecked	0
allowfavorites	1
maxsubject	255
maxsig	300
regonly	0
pubwrite	0
floodprotection	0
mailmod	0
mailadmin	0
captcha	0
mailfull	1
allowavatarupload	1
allowavatargallery	1
avatarquality	75
avatarsize	2048
imageheight	800
imagewidth	800
imagesize	150
filetypes	txt,rtf,pdf,zip,doc, docx
filesize	120
showranking	1
rankimages	1
userlist_rows	30
userlist_online	1
userlist_avatar	1
userlist_posts	1
userlist_karma	1
userlist_email	0
userlist_joindate	1
userlist_lastvisitdate	1
userlist_userhits	1
latestcategory
showstats	1
showwhoisonline	1
showgenstats	1
showpopuserstats	1
popusercount	5
showpopsubjectstats	1
popsubjectcount	5
showspoilertag	1
showvideotag	1
showebaytag	1
trimlongurls	1
trimlongurlsfront	40
trimlongurlsback	20
autoembedyoutube	1
autoembedebay	1
ebaylanguagecode	en-us
sessiontimeout	1800
highlightcode	0
rss_type	topic
rss_timelimit	month
rss_limit	100
rss_included_categories
rss_excluded_categories
rss_specification	rss2.0
rss_allow_html	1
rss_author_format	name
rss_author_in_title	1
rss_word_count	0
rss_old_titles	1
rss_cache	900
defaultpage	recent
default_sort	asc
sef	1
showimgforguest	1
showfileforguest	1
pollnboptions	4
pollallowvoteone	1
pollenabled	1
poppollscount	5
showpoppollstats	1
polltimebtvotes	00:15:00
pollnbvotesbyuser	100
pollresultsuserslist	1
maxpersotext	50
ordering_system	mesid
post_dateformat	ago
post_dateformat_hover	datetime
hide_ip	1
imagetypes	jpg,jpeg,gif,png
checkmimetypes	1
imagemimetypes	image/jpeg,image/jpg,image/gif,image/png
imagequality	50
thumbheight	32
thumbwidth	32
hideuserprofileinfo	put_empty
boxghostmessage	0
userdeletetmessage	0
latestcategory_in	1
topicicons	1
debug	0
catsautosubscribed	0
showbannedreason	0
showthankyou	1
showpopthankyoustats	1
popthankscount	5
mod_see_deleted	0
bbcode_img_secure	text
listcat_show_moderators	1
lightbox	1
show_list_time	720
show_session_type	0
show_session_starttime	0
userlist_allowed	1
userlist_count_users	1
enable_threaded_layouts	0
category_subscriptions	post
topic_subscriptions	every
pubprofile	0
thankyou_max	10
email_recipient_count	0
email_recipient_privacy	bcc
captcha_post_limit	50
keywords	0
userkeywords	0
image_upload	registered
file_upload	registered
topic_layout	flat
time_to_create_page	1
show_imgfiles_manage_profile	1
hold_newusers_posts	0
hold_guest_posts	0
attachment_limit	8
pickup_category	0
article_display	intro
send_emails	1
fallback_english	1
cache	1
cache_time	60
iptracking	1
rss_feedburner_url
autolink	1
access_component	1
statslink_allowed	0
superadmin_userlist	0
legacy_urls	1
attachment_protection	0
categoryicons	1
avatarresizemethod	1
avatarcrop	0
user_report	1
searchtime	365
teaser	0
ebay_language	0
twitter_consumer_key
twitter_consumer_secret
max_links	6
userlist_name	1
usernamechange	0
version_check	1
credits	1

| Kunena integration settings:

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Kunena - AlphaUserPoints Disabled
Kunena - Community Builder Disabled
Kunena - Gravatar Disabled
Kunena - JomSocial Disabled
Kunena - Joomla Enabled: access=1 login=1
Kunena - Kunena Enabled: avatar=1 profile=1
Kunena - UddeIM Disabled

| Joomla! detailed language files installed:

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Joomla! languages installed:
en-GB	English (en-GB)

Third-party components: None

Third-party SEF components: None

Plugins: None

Modules: Kunena Latest 3.1.1

I conducted the following test of K 4.0.3. Using K 4.0.3 Blue Eagle, this the following screenshot shows what appears on my site before pressing the submit button:



The following screenshot shows what happens after pressing the submit button.



The message is posted and the user is not subscribed to the topic. In other words, the configuration setting works with K 4.0.3 Blue Eagle.

I then changed the template to use K 4.0.3 Crypsis. This is the configuration report after the change:

Database collation check: The collation of your table fields are correct

Joomla! SEF: Enabled | Joomla! SEF rewrite: Enabled | FTP layer: Disabled |

This message contains confidential information

htaccess: Exists | PHP environment: Max execution time: 30 seconds | Max execution memory: 128M | Max file upload: 64M

Kunena menu details:

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ID	Name	Menutype	Link	Path	In trash
409	Forum	kunenamenu	view=home&defaultmenu=411	forum	No
410	Index	kunenamenu	view=category&layout=list	forum/index	No
411	Recent Topics	kunenamenu	view=topics&mode=replies	forum/recent	No
412	New Topic	kunenamenu	view=topic&layout=create	forum/newtopic	No
413	No Replies	kunenamenu	view=topics&mode=noreplies	forum/noreplies	No
414	My Topics	kunenamenu	view=topics&layout=user&mode=default	forum/mylatest	No
415	Profile	kunenamenu	view=user	forum/profile	No
416	Help	kunenamenu	view=misc	forum/help	No
417	Search	kunenamenu	view=search	forum/search	No
418	Forum	mainmenu	Itemid=409	kunena-2015-06-23	No

Joomla default template details : protostar | author: Kyle Ledbetter | version: 1.0 | creationdate: Unknown

Kunena default template details : Crypsis | author: Kunena Team | version: 4.0.3 | creationdate: 2015-06-29

Kunena version detailed: Kunena 4.0.3 | 2015-06-29 [ Possagno ]
| Kunena detailed configuration:

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Kunena config settings:
board_offline	0
enablerss	1
threads_per_page	20
messages_per_page	6
messages_per_page_search	15
showhistory	1
historylimit	6
shownew	1
disemoticons	0
template	crypsis
showannouncement	1
avataroncat	0
catimagepath	category_images
showchildcaticon	1
rtewidth	450
rteheight	300
enableforumjump	1
reportmsg	1
username	1
askemail	0
showemail	0
showuserstats	1
showkarma	0
useredit	1
useredittime	0
useredittimegrace	600
editmarkup	1
allowsubscriptions	1
subscriptionschecked	0
allowfavorites	1
maxsubject	255
maxsig	300
regonly	0
pubwrite	0
floodprotection	0
mailmod	0
mailadmin	0
captcha	0
mailfull	1
allowavatarupload	1
allowavatargallery	1
avatarquality	75
avatarsize	2048
imageheight	800
imagewidth	800
imagesize	150
filetypes	txt,rtf,pdf,zip,doc, docx
filesize	120
showranking	1
rankimages	1
userlist_rows	30
userlist_online	1
userlist_avatar	1
userlist_posts	1
userlist_karma	1
userlist_email	0
userlist_joindate	1
userlist_lastvisitdate	1
userlist_userhits	1
latestcategory
showstats	1
showwhoisonline	1
showgenstats	1
showpopuserstats	1
popusercount	5
showpopsubjectstats	1
popsubjectcount	5
showspoilertag	1
showvideotag	1
showebaytag	1
trimlongurls	1
trimlongurlsfront	40
trimlongurlsback	20
autoembedyoutube	1
autoembedebay	1
ebaylanguagecode	en-us
sessiontimeout	1800
highlightcode	0
rss_type	topic
rss_timelimit	month
rss_limit	100
rss_included_categories
rss_excluded_categories
rss_specification	rss2.0
rss_allow_html	1
rss_author_format	name
rss_author_in_title	1
rss_word_count	0
rss_old_titles	1
rss_cache	900
defaultpage	recent
default_sort	asc
sef	1
showimgforguest	1
showfileforguest	1
pollnboptions	4
pollallowvoteone	1
pollenabled	1
poppollscount	5
showpoppollstats	1
polltimebtvotes	00:15:00
pollnbvotesbyuser	100
pollresultsuserslist	1
maxpersotext	50
ordering_system	mesid
post_dateformat	ago
post_dateformat_hover	datetime
hide_ip	1
imagetypes	jpg,jpeg,gif,png
checkmimetypes	1
imagemimetypes	image/jpeg,image/jpg,image/gif,image/png
imagequality	50
thumbheight	32
thumbwidth	32
hideuserprofileinfo	put_empty
boxghostmessage	0
userdeletetmessage	0
latestcategory_in	1
topicicons	1
debug	0
catsautosubscribed	0
showbannedreason	0
showthankyou	1
showpopthankyoustats	1
popthankscount	5
mod_see_deleted	0
bbcode_img_secure	text
listcat_show_moderators	1
lightbox	1
show_list_time	720
show_session_type	0
show_session_starttime	0
userlist_allowed	1
userlist_count_users	1
enable_threaded_layouts	0
category_subscriptions	post
topic_subscriptions	every
pubprofile	0
thankyou_max	10
email_recipient_count	0
email_recipient_privacy	bcc
captcha_post_limit	50
keywords	0
userkeywords	0
image_upload	registered
file_upload	registered
topic_layout	flat
time_to_create_page	1
show_imgfiles_manage_profile	1
hold_newusers_posts	0
hold_guest_posts	0
attachment_limit	8
pickup_category	0
article_display	intro
send_emails	1
fallback_english	1
cache	1
cache_time	60
iptracking	1
rss_feedburner_url
autolink	1
access_component	1
statslink_allowed	0
superadmin_userlist	0
legacy_urls	1
attachment_protection	0
categoryicons	1
avatarresizemethod	1
avatarcrop	0
user_report	1
searchtime	365
teaser	0
ebay_language	0
twitter_consumer_key
twitter_consumer_secret
max_links	6
userlist_name	1
usernamechange	0
version_check	1
credits	1

| Kunena integration settings:

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Kunena - AlphaUserPoints Disabled
Kunena - Community Builder Disabled
Kunena - Gravatar Disabled
Kunena - JomSocial Disabled
Kunena - Joomla Enabled: access=1 login=1
Kunena - Kunena Enabled: avatar=1 profile=1
Kunena - UddeIM Disabled

| Joomla! detailed language files installed:

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Joomla! languages installed:
en-GB	English (en-GB)

Third-party components: None

Third-party SEF components: None

Plugins: None

Modules: Kunena Latest 3.1.1

Now look at the following screenshot that shows that the "Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic" checkbox is now checked



This is not what is wanted. The following screenshot shows that, after pressing the submit button, the user is now subscribed to the topic!



This demonstration shows that the configuration setting

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box = No

does not work if you use the Crypsis template in K 4.0

you need to update to k4.0.5, then its fixed.

810 wrote: you need to update to k4.0.5, then its fixed.

What do you mean "it's fixed"? When was it broken?

I have looked through the release notes for all versions of K 4.0 and I cannot find where the new "feature" was added.

I have looked at the release notes for K 4.0.5 and I cannot see where the "fix" was implemented.

The issue is simple. Does the setting

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box = No

have any meaning in K 4.0 Crypsis? If this setting means something, what does it do and is there any documentation about how to turn on/off the subscribe checkbox? I have a couple of customers who have asked me about this issue because they are concerned about a potential impact on privacy laws.

What was broken, was the checkbox,

it doesn't taking the setting before, different choices between newtopic/reply.

"•Subscribe's box is always enabled #3303"
github.com/Kunena/Kunena-Forum/pull/3304

The setting is working now on all default templates. 3rt party template builders must update their template to.

Default new user is "-1"

"-1" = Kunena config setting
"0" = disabled on user setting
"1" = Enable on user setting

What do you mean "it's fixed"? When was it broken?

I have looked through the release notes for all versions of K 4.0 and I cannot find where the new "feature" was added.

Kunena 4.0.4 Read Me
*Subscribe's box is always enabled #3303

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box = No

have any meaning in K 4.0 Crypsis? If this setting means something, what does it do and is there any documentation about how to turn on/off the subscribe checkbox? I have a couple of customers who have asked me about this issue because they are concerned about a potential impact on privacy laws.

This setting has always been there. The user could always select the checkbox self, if subscription is allowed. Now he has this setting also in his profile. What has that to do with privacy laws?

Thanks for the reply. I still do not understand what you mean.

I looked at the setting

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box

In K 4.0.3 it has two possible values: Yes and No. Irrespective of either setting, the checkbox is always enabled in K 4.0.3 Crypsis.

810 wrote:

Default new user is "-1"

"-1" = Kunena config setting
"0" = disabled on user setting
"1" = Enable on user setting

In K 4.0.5 the setting

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box

still has two possible values (Yes and No). If I understand you correctly, this setting applies to setting the profile settings for new users who register after K 4.0.3. Is that correct?

If I understand you correctly, the user profile setting determines if the checkbox is checked or not checked for Crypsis and Blue Eagle. Is that correct?

If I understand you correctly, the user profile setting is initialised by the configuration setting. (The default value of the configuration setting is Yes; therefore user profiles created after K 4.0.x will most probably inherit the default, i.e. "yes").

If I have misunderstood something I would appreciate your advice as to how to best use these features.

I notice that there is no mention of these changes (or its fix) in the K 4.0.4/K 4.0.5 release notes.

rich wrote: The user could always select the checkbox self, if subscription is allowed. Now he has this setting also in his profile. What has that to do with privacy laws?

This has everything to do with privacy. I don't have the time to explain the legal implications here at this time (perhaps I will write an article about it in the future) but, at this time, I am obtaining legal advice just to be absolutely sure.

In another topic there is a reference to an idea by the developers to implement autosubscription as an "integrated" (core) feature of Kunena. I have already offered my opinion.

The point that I was trying to make is that Kunena has the potential to create an impression that forum users will automatically be subscribed whenever they post messages on the forum and we need to find a way to help people to avoid the potential for privacy actions taken against forum owners. Better help, better service, less problems; that's all I want us to do.

If I understand you correctly, the user profile setting is initialised by the configuration setting. (The default value of the configuration setting is Yes; therefore user profiles created after K 4.0.x will most probably inherit the default, i.e. "yes").

The user inherits not Yes and also not No. It is the 3. option (Default). Default used always the same setting as in the backend.

sozzled wrote: I looked at the setting

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box

In K 4.0.3 it has two possible values: Yes and No. Irrespective of either setting, the checkbox is always enabled in K 4.0.3 Crypsis.

810 wrote:

Default new user is "-1"

"-1" = Kunena config setting
"0" = disabled on user setting
"1" = Enable on user setting

In K 4.0.5 the setting

Configuration » Users » Subscriptions » Check Subscription Box

still has two possible values (Yes and No). If I understand you correctly, this setting applies to setting the profile settings for new users who register after K 4.0.3. Is that correct?

Yes, the new settings is only for new users, otherwise all users setting will be lost.

in the config:
- 2 options

User edit settings:
- 3 options
* default setting is kunena config

If I understand you correctly, the user profile setting determines if the checkbox is checked or not checked for Crypsis and Blue Eagle. Is that correct?

Yes, Users have the controlling if they get the emails. Not the admin. Admin can only set the default setting.

If they want to disable the feature they need to make a override to hide the setting.

If I understand you correctly, the user profile setting is initialised by the configuration setting. (The default value of the configuration setting is Yes; therefore user profiles created after K 4.0.x will most probably inherit the default, i.e. "yes").

Yes that's correct.

I notice that there is no mention of these changes (or its fix) in the K 4.0.4/K 4.0.5 release notes

Its in the K4.0.4 and K4.0.5 release notes:

• Subscribe's box is always enabled #3303

In another topic there is a reference to an idea by the developers to implement autosubscription as an "integrated" (core) feature of Kunena. I have already offered my opinion.

We are integrating this feature with default option is turned off. And the setting will be in the joomla-kunena plugin, Not on the default kunena configuration.

We have this feature already some time in the main code (+2 years), but uncommented so the feature is disabled at the moment.